Who or That and Above All, Why? - English Grammar and Idioms in Daily Usage
74He That Which Meant Who?
Certain grammatical rules for writing and editing in English differ by country, but also sometimes by regions. Some rules change among academic writing, business writing, and popular fiction writing. As writers of some experience, we can even create and cause new words and new rules to be adopted.
The battle of Who and That is at hand today. The factors at war are the written rules and the academic rules I have been required to follow in certain phases of my career.
During advanced degree studies and related article writing, the rule was to always use "that" in the following type of communication:
- He was the driver that crashed the car.
- The negative stimulus that caused an allergic recation was eliminated from the study.
- That is a challenge that cannot go unmentioned.
- Those are to be the students that distribute the brochures.
The Rules
I find written rules to the contrary of my own experiences in academic studies. Some websites state that "who" is to be used with any person or people and "that" should be used with inanimate objects. The question of animals is not answered. For example, should Lilian Jackson Braun's The Cat Who... mystery series be renamed The Cat That...?
At the same time, I find in articles across the Internet and in some classrooms statements like these:
- The tables whose leg is marred needs to be repaired.
- The book to be read is the one whose cover is blue.
- The findings of the study, whose results are laughable, must be replicated before they can be considered generalizable
I think all of these uses of "who" are incorrect - at least sound strange - but, several grammar referecnes state that it is OK, because there is no plural of that. However, I was trained to edit the above sentences in this manner:
- The tables, the leg of which is marred needs to be repaired.
- The book to be read is the one with the blue cover. More simply: Read the book with the blue cover. [No who or that at all in either case.]
- The findings of the study, the results of which are laughable, must be replicated before they can be considered generalizable.
Thoughts From Some Experts
American Heritage Dictionary Third edition.Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1993, p. 1540: "It is entirely acceptable to write either the man that wanted to talk to you, or the man who wanted to talk to you."
Dr. Grammar: That or Which or Who? -- Do not use which to refer to persons. Use who instead. That, though generally used to refer to things, may be used to refer to a group or class of people.
[Examples:]
- The player who [not that or which] made the basket at the buzzer was named MVP.
- The team that scores the most points in this game will win the tournament (Hacker, A Writer's Reference 136).
http://www.drgrammar.org/faqs/#40; retreived March 30, 2010.Purdue OWL (I love owls, don't you?), the Online Writing Lab, offers this key:
- People are "who" or "that" and things are "that" or "which."
- Plurals for people and things may be either "whose" or "of which. http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/645/01/; retreived March 30, 2010.
RECOMMENDATIONS
Considering all of the possibilities, I suggest that you choose one consistent way of writing for the milieu in which you find yourself. An easy method is to always use who for people and that for objects and decide on what to do about animals and stick to it. The Cat Who Came to Breakfast would not be as humorous and catchy it the word that were used instead of who.
If you are working with a teacher, a professor, a doctoral review panel, an editor(s) or a boss(es) that has authority over your written word, find out what grammar rules they are using and use them or persuade them to use yours - but at least use the same ones consistently. English is difficult enough!
To Skip The Task Altogether...
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I also agree; who is applicable to people and that for inanimate objects. I'm somewhat divided on animals and perhaps that depends on context. In a story featuring animals as characters, then I'd think who; in an article discussing species and behavior, I'd use that. Lynda
Yes, 'who' for people ~ or even for animals, which are treated as people.
As a copy editor in India, where people often make up their own rules for English, I'm often faced by sentences that make me doubt my own knowledge of the language! In such cases I go by what 'sounds' right! 'The tables whose leg is marred needs to be repaired' doesn't sound right at all!
P.S. We felines prefer to be known as who! :P
Thank you, Patty, for a great lesson which will be great help.
Why does the English language have to be so darn confusing? :) Great hub, I really enjoyed reading it!
One of the things I admire about you Patty, is your relentless pursuit of excellence combined with a reality check. I think your summary is "pure Patty Inglish".
"Considering all of the possibilities, I suggest that you choose one consistent way of writing for the milieu in which you find yourself."
You've presented the problem, the background, and possibilities for a solution in a way that is both helpful and respectful to your readers.
Thanks for this educational hub. I find myself tangled up between that and which too often for comfort!
Great English lesson. I have problems with sale and sell.
great info Patty. It does become tricky at times trying to remember which word to use. I keep a writers book nearby or check out grammargirl online. I think grammar used to be taught more in 'grammar' school and now it's anything goes!
Terrific Hub. No matter how much we think we understand, most of us are prone to making mistakes. Many thanks for the info.
I think I have some rewrites to do. :) Thank you Patty for putting it in perspective. I have to go check my grammar, I am almost sure I have made 'that' mistake.
My husband and I argue over 'to' and 'too' all the time. I say too much he says to much. I love your article! Thank you for sharing your knowledge! ;-)
Good to see someone still concerneda bout grammar these days - I hate all this slang text speak. I had trouble this week with the word 'humorous', mainly because UK dictionary (and I) spell humour, as opposed to US homor. Interesting hub, thanks.
I think American English is taught different to Englishj English if you know what I mean. However over the many years since I left school most rules have become muuddled in my mind
Well, I finally get to "meet" You, Patty...
I`ve chosen this hub because ever since I was taught English, I remember all my grammar teachers being a pain in the butt. I try to apply all the rules, when in doubt I surf the web in every direction and even read articles by professionals looking for a hint. My own language(Spanish) is very complex in terms of rules and verb tenses.
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William F. Torpey Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago
Another great hub, Patty. I believe "who" should only be used for people, although I agree that "that" is OK for groups of people. In my opinion "that" should be used for animals, except maybe owls -- because the "who" all the time. Sorry! Unless I'm restricted to a style book, as I was when working for The Hour newspaper, I make my own rules whenever there's a conflict or questionable interpretation. The main objective, I think, should be to preserve clarity in language as well as common sense.